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      Mapu Speakers

      Philine von Düszeln and Pablo Ocqueteau

      Mapu Speakers are handcrafted loudspeakers, shaped by artisans with local materials and sound systems developed by world-class technicians. Philine von Düszeln and Pablo Ocqueteau started their sound design journey ten years ago, not just to amplify your favourite music, but also the stories of local people, places, and materials.

      Mass production is rapidly eroding cultural identity and product diversity in our cities, causing many stores all over the world to sell the same brands. Sellers often opt for cheaply produced options to stay in business, while traditional and small-scale craftsmanship generally has a much smaller environmental footprint. For the audio industry, it is no different.

      Three years after they were featured on the Secrid Talent Podium, we spoke with Philine and Pablo about their unconventional path from documentary makers to sound designers, their commitment to cultural sustainability, and their latest crowdfunding campaign.  

      secrid talent podium mapu speakers
      secrid talent podium mapu speakers
      Text: Lonneke CraemersPhotography: Mapu Speakers

      Hi Philine and Pablo, let’s start at the beginning. Can you tell us a bit about your background, where did you grow up?

      Pablo: I grew up in Patagonia, in Chili, until I was about eleven. My mother was working for the government, and she would take me everywhere. That is how I met people in very remote places, absolutely unconnected from mainstream life. They lived in the hills or close to the glacier, and they had talents that no one had in the other world. I saw how they created their own ways and solutions with the materials that were available there. I absolutely admired them. For me, it was real authenticity. 

      They had sheep for wool to weave clothes and knew how to make a boat, because they needed to navigate for hours to get to the next small town. I saw the most beautiful houses and the materials they used were super creative. Living close to nature, like that, makes you a designer. If you cannot go to the clothing store 100 meters from the corner of your house, you have to produce your own things. I grew up seeing that. 

      Philine: For me, growing up in Bremen, Germany, was of course different, but also a bit similar. As a girl I spent many weekends on my grandparents’ farm. There were no animals anymore, but I always saw my mother crafting many things there. She built a house, and we had a potter's wheel, for example. We also traveled a lot. I think both life on the farm, in nature, and seeing other cultures have inspired me a lot. 

      You both grew up loving crafts and culture, in different parts of the world. How did the two of you meet?

      Philine: We were roommates when we both studied in Valencia, Spain. I studied audiovisual communication and got my first job as a documentary filmmaker and photographer, with an anthropological focus. Pablo was studying at the Design Academy. 

      Pablo: As a designer, it was always important for me to keep thinking like the people in Patagonia. I wanted to be close to the aesthetics of those isolated areas, and to the materials I used. I never wanted to create products for mainstream trends or mass production.  

      Philine: When we met, in our last year, we immediately started working together. After we graduated, we won a cultural fund to document crafts and traditions in Patagonia. It ended up being an interactive documentary, showing and transmitting local knowledge like wool weaving and textile dyeing. We started our first company, called Documentary Design, promoting cultural sustainability. 

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      Living close to nature will make you a designer.

      You want to promote cultural sustainability, can you explain?

      Philine: We want to document and preserve the crafts, stories, and techniques that mass production tends to erase. Of course, industrialization gave us quality of life and access to many things, but we believe we have also lost a lot. We more often talk about ecological sustainability – and we absolutely believe in using local and biodegradable materials – but we believe the cultural part is also very important. 

      Pablo: We think life should be colorful. The problem with mass production is that everything starts to look the same. It may offer efficiency and convenience, but it kills cultural diversity in our cities, in our aesthetics, and in our values.

      You can compare it to a forest turned into monoculture. That’s not a forest anymore. Once you chop everything down, it’s difficult to recreate. 

      For example, if you go to Santiago, Istanbul or London today, you're going to hear the same music and see the same things in each market, bazaar or city center. If you buy a souvenir, it’s probably produced in China and most of it is made of plastic. Sellers cannot afford to sell local products from local craftspeople anymore. 

      Philine: Cultural sustainability is deeply linked to ecology. When we produce everything in one place, with people and materials that are not our own, it’s like we are borrowing one culture, while losing our own. And when we lose our heritage and local knowledge, we also lose the connection to the land that we're living on. It's very important to see this.  

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      secrid talent podium mapu speakers

      How did preserving local crafts lead to the design of a speaker?

      Philine: Ten years ago, there was a design competition for handmade products. We were in the middle of another documentary project in Chili, but Pablo submitted a concept of a speaker that he made with a local potter from the region. 

      Pablo: In Chili, some villages produce a lot of pots and ceramics, that is how the idea of turning a pot into a speaker started. As a Chilean, I wanted to make a high-end product. We almost have no industry in our country. Most of what we sell is food and raw materials, and most of the work is done by hand. We are often unseen at the beginning of the supply chain, and we usually do not sell patents. I wanted to move out of that. 

      So, I asked myself: ‘How can we keep this pottery craft alive, using local materials, while also looking at the future and complementing it with something more complex?’ What I submitted was not ready, it was only a photo of an idea. As a designer, and even with Philine in audiovisual communication, we didn’t have any acoustic knowledge. But I wanted to show: ‘Look what a speaker could also look like.’ 

      Philine: We didn’t win that competition, but the image was published on the front page of Design Boom – a leading design platform – and many other media outlets. For months we got messages from people who wanted to buy the speaker, but it didn’t exist yet. It was crazy.  

      When did you decide to turn your idea into an actual product?

      Philine: Initially, we kept working on other projects. We reached a real turning point three or four years after we developed the concept, when we were featured in another well-known magazine as one of the ten most beautiful speakers in the world. Again, we got a lot of emails from people that couldn’t find them.  

      We now knew there was serious interest in the market, and we had just met Ricardo, a potter friend from Portugal. We decided to make our first prototypes with him and got funding from the Chilean government to show them at Salone del Mobile – one of the world’s largest design tradeshows in Milan.  

      Pablo: It was a very nice stand with Ricardo sitting on the potter's wheel and music playing all the time. There was so much interest from people. We won a special mention, and we got a lot of press coverage again. That was the start of everything; we decided to proceed and look for acoustic support. 

      How did you manage to fuse traditional pottery techniques with modern sound technology?

      Pablo: We first found a professor at the Technical University in Berlin, who helped us with an acoustic test. He found out that the hard resonance body and the round forward shape we had developed by chance, had a lot of potential. Acoustically it was really incredible. We got in contact with a company to develop amplifiers and decided to move to Chili to produce our first small collection with local potters. 

      Philine: Honestly, bringing together traditional techniques and modern technology was a challenge in the beginning. There were two worlds that didn't match at first. The pottery was handcrafted and always a bit different, but for the amplifiers to work we needed them to be perfect and airtight. Without that precision, no one was going to use the speakers.  

      Instead of 6 months, we ended up staying for over a year to learn everything we needed to learn about pottery. It was really a process of failing in every aspect. Pots busted open in the oven and when we finally finished production, it started raining and everything got wet again. We became experts by making every possible mistake that you can make.  

      Pablo: When we finally managed the pottery part, it was time for the engineering part. First of all, we needed funds to pay for the amplifiers and decided to create a crowdfunding campaign. What followed was really a series of lucky breaks that helped us gain acoustic expertise. 

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      People wanted to buy the speaker, but it didn't exist yet.

      A series of lucky breaks, tell us! How did you get this acoustic expertise?

      Philine: When we launched our crowdfunding campaign, it coincided with a huge paid media campaign for an industrial wood company from Chili. They were promoting the use of wood in design products and featured us as local sustainability pioneers – probably without realizing that our work is a quiet critique of large-scale industry practices like their own.  

      Pablo: It was really a greenwashing campaign, and they likely didn’t realize we question a lot of what they represent, but it gave us a lot of visibility.

      We were all over the media in Chili. We reached our funding goal in just over an hour and became the most successful Kickstarter campaign the country.  

      That was picked up in Denmark, and, shortly after, we received an invitation to take part in a new sound tech accelerator that was being initiated, called SoundHub, with partners like Bang & Olufsen.  

      Philine: It was a dream come true for us. We packed our bags and moved to Scandinavia to work with the best audio engineers in the world. That is how we further developed and refined the acoustic and technological components of our speakers, so that they could stand alongside – or even exceed – the best. 

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      secrid talent podium mapu speakers

      Can you tell us about the local materials you use? Do they go hand in hand with high-end engineering?

      Philine: People sometimes expect handmade and local to mean compromise. But for us, it’s about exceeding expectations when it comes to performance. Our materials turn out to be very suitable for sound engineering. 

      Pablo: Instead of using polluting materials like plastic or aluminum, our speakers are made of clay. Clay is not just beautiful; it has natural acoustic dampening qualities, reducing resonance and creating a warm, full-bodied tone. To optimize the sound quality, we use recycled and certified wood.  

      Philine: For insulation, we use biodegradable wool, cork, and leather. Wool also helps to protect the internal components, because it is non-flammable, and unlike synthetic fibers it does not need harmful chemicals. Leather and cork also both have ideal properties for our insulation purposes, because they are elastic and strong. 

      Our materials are always locally sourced, as regional as possible. So, in our Portuguese speakers we use cork, because Portugal is full of cork oaks. And in the Chilean ones we use leather, which is widely available there. In the future, we envision making a Japanese version with porcelain and volcanic ash, or a Moroccan one using local clay and textiles. 

      Pablo: If a speaker would break, you can just unarm it in its parts. The clay does not have to be glazed, because we use a special firing technique that makes the speakers black. So, it's really only soil that becomes earth again. Also, our packaging is very good. It is made of a cardboard tube filled with wool for transportation. Once you unwrap it, you can put it in your garden or make a cushion out of it.

      For anyone curious, where can people listen to the sound of your speakers?

      Pablo: This is important for us, and also still a challenge. Before people decide to buy our speakers, they want to hear it for themselves, and they should. That’s why we are slowly building a network of listening points in homes, studios, and galleries where people can hear Mapu Speakers in a real environment. It’s not like testing a speaker in an electronics shop, but an experience. 

      Philine: In Bremen, we regularly invite visitors into our studio for listening sessions. We also collaborate with concept stores and design-minded venues that share our values. In Amsterdam, for instance, people can go to Mexican restaurant Coba Taqueria.  

      We are very open to partners who want to be part of this network. As it grows, we hope to create decentralized listening stations across Europe and beyond, where people can not only test the sound, but also learn about the materials, techniques, and stories behind each piece.

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      We worked with the best audio engineers in the world.

      With your current collection, are you running a sustainable business?

      Pablo: We've been working on Mapu Speakers for 10 years now, but it has been a slow and evolutionary process. We have always had side jobs, and at the beginning we didn't know that it would become so big and important. 

      Philine: To be honest, we didn’t start it to become a business, and we didn’t bring any business knowledge. We were completely bootstrapped from the start. We have no investors, because we want to stay in control of our values.

      But we knew we needed to invest a lot of money to turn our concept into a viable product, so we used the income from other projects to make part by part investments when we could.  

      So far, we are doing everything on our own, and we are learning by doing it. We can definitely use a bit of business support, for instance, to automate a thing or two or find distributors who don’t ask outrageous margins. At the same time, we have seen a lot of companies close that were in the same accelerator as us, even with a lot of investment money and a huge team. We are one of the survivors. 

      Pablo: The most important thing now is to get people to trust our brand. Our prices are in line with top brands, and for that you get a handcrafted art piece with world class sound technology. But people are not going to spend €2,000 if they don't know the quality is really good. They don't know our brand yet, and that makes market entry difficult. 

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      What do you need for more brand awareness to conquer the electronics market?

      Pablo: What is so beautiful is that a lot of interesting people know us and keep cheering for us. For example, we met Manu Chao last year. He is such a musical inspiration and influencer, and he wants to use our speakers. These things keep happening and we want to keep inviting them in. It motivates us tremendously when people tell us that we are doing something good, and it really helps when they want to share our work with the rest of the world.  

      Philine: To make an impact, we are now at the point where we need to start selling more speakers. Besides people sharing our story – artists, influencers and all of our fans – we are also looking for value-aligned distribution points, like boutique hotels, where people can listen to music and order our speakers.  

      And we have just launched a new crowdfunding campaign that people can support until June 11th. We aim to raise €20,000 to expand our network, start the development of the next generation amplifiers and a subwoofer for our speakers, and hire a professional agency to help us with marketing and e-commerce.

      Finally, what is the main message that you want people to share about you?

      Philine: With Mapu we use modern technology to honor tradition. Our designs are meant to make people listen, metaphorically and literally, to the voices of local craftspeople. We believe that the spirit that goes into the making of every product matters. In our speakers you can feel it and you will hear it. 

      Pablo: Our goal is to help local craftspeople earn a decent income, to preserve the beauty and diversity of our products and our planet. Of course, maybe I can earn more money being a designer wearing glasses with a red frame in an office. But I really prefer to keep doing this. Sometimes it’s complicated to keep going and stay true to our values, but we are really getting a nice life with Mapu. And we welcome everyone to join us. 

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