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        Mapu Speakers

        Philine von Düszeln and Pablo Ocqueteau

        Mapu Speakers are handcrafted loudspeakers, shaped by artisans with local materials and sound systems developed by world-class technicians. Philine von Düszeln and Pablo Ocqueteau started their sound design journey ten years ago, not just to amplify your favourite music, but also the stories of local people, places, and materials.

        Mass production is rapidly eroding cultural identity and product diversity in our cities, causing many stores all over the world to sell the same brands. Sellers often opt for cheaply produced options to stay in business, while traditional and small-scale craftsmanship generally has a much smaller environmental footprint. For the audio industry, it is no different.

        Three years after they were featured on the Secrid Talent Podium, we spoke with Philine and Pablo about their unconventional path from documentary makers to sound designers, their commitment to cultural sustainability, and their latest crowdfunding campaign 

        secrid talent podium mapu speakers
        secrid talent podium mapu speakers
        Text: Lonneke CraemersPhotography: Mapu Speakers & Sarah Mehler (Portrait)

        Hi Philine and Pablo, let’s start at the beginning. Can you tell us a bit about your background, where did you grow up?

        Pablo: I grew up in Patagonia, in Chile, until I was about eleven. My mother was working for the government, and she would take me to the most remote places. That is how I met people who were absolutely unconnected from mainstream life. They lived on islands, in the hills or close to the glacier, and they had talents that no one had in the “other world”.

        I saw how they found solutions with the materials that were available in place, and I absolutely admired them. For instance, they had sheep for wool to weave their own clothes and knew how to build boats, because they needed to navigate for hours to get to the next small town. For me, it was real authenticity.

        They had sheep for wool to weave clothes and knew how to make a boat, because they needed to navigate for hours to get to the next small town. I saw the most beautiful houses and the materials they used were super creative. Living close to nature, like that, makes you a designer. If you cannot go to the clothing store 100 meters from the corner of your house, you have to produce your own things. I grew up seeing that. 

        Philine: I grew up in Bremen, Germany. As a girl I spent many weekends on my grandparents’ farm. I always saw my mother crafting many things there. Reconstructing an old farmhouse and also working on the potter's wheel. We also traveled a lot with my parents. I think both life on the farm, in nature, and seeing other cultures have inspired me in life. 

        You both grew up loving crafts and culture, in different parts of the world. How did the two of you meet?

        Philine: We were roommates when we studied in Valencia, Spain. I studied Audiovisual Communication and Pablo Product Design. That’s why my first jobs were also as a documentary filmmaker and photographer, with an anthropological focus. 

        Pablo: As a designer, it was always important for me to keep thinking like the people in Patagonia. I wanted to be close to the aesthetics of those isolated areas, and to the materials of the places. I never wanted to create products for mainstream trends or mass production.  

        Philine: When we met, in our last year, we immediately started working together. After we graduated, we applied for a cultural fund to document the crafts and living traditions of Patagonia. It ended up being an interactive documentary, showing and transmitting local knowledge like wool weaving and textile dyeing. During this time, we started our company, called Documentary Design, to promote cultural sustainability through product design and documentaries.

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        Living close to nature will make you a designer.

        You want to promote cultural sustainability, can you explain?

        Philine: We want to contribute to preserving the crafts, stories, and techniques that mass production tends to erase. Of course, industrialization gave us quality of life and access to many things, but we believe we have also lost a lot. To us, cultural sustainability is as important as ecological sustainability, including the use of local and biodegradable materials. The two are deeply connected: when we forget our heritage and local knowledge, we also lose the connection to the land that we're living on.

        Pablo: The problem with mass production is that everything starts to look the same. It may offer efficiency and convenience, but it kills cultural diversity in our cities, in our aesthetics, and in our values.

        You can compare it to a forest turned into monoculture. That’s not a forest anymore. Once you chop everything down, it’s difficult to recreate.

        For example, if you go to Santiago, Istanbul or London today, you're probably going to hear the same music and see the same things in each market, bazaar or city center. If you buy a souvenir, it’s probably produced in China and made of plastic. Sellers sometimes feel like they cannot afford to sell local products from local craftspeople anymore.

        secrid talent podium mapu speakers
        secrid talent podium mapu speakers

        How did preserving local crafts lead to the design of a speaker?

        Philine: More than ten years ago, there was a design competition for handmade products. In Chile, some villages produce a lot of pots and ceramics, that is how the idea of turning a pot into a speaker started. Pablo submitted a concept, that was made with a local potter from the BioBio region.

        Pablo: I wanted to make a high-end product, in a country that doesn’t have a lot of industry. Most of what Chile sells is food and raw materials, and most of the work is done by hand. So, I asked myself: ‘How can we keep this pottery craft alive, using local materials, while also looking at the future and complementing it with something more complex?’

        What I submitted was not ready, it was only a photo of an idea. Philine and I both didn’t have any acoustic knowledge at that time. But I wanted to show: ‘Look what a speaker could also look like.’

        Philine: We didn’t win that competition, but the image was published on the front page of Design Boom – a leading design platform – and many other media outlets. For months we got messages from people who wanted to buy the speaker, but it didn’t exist yet. It was crazy.

        When did you decide to turn your idea into an actual product?

        Philine: Initially, we kept working on other projects. Then, three or four years after developing the concept, the speakers were featured in another well-known magazine as one of the ten most beautiful speakers in the world. Again, we got a lot of emails from people asking where to find them.

        We now knew there was serious interest in the market, and we had just met Ricardo, a potter friend from Portugal. We decided to make our first real prototypes with him and got a grant from the Chilean government to show them at Salone del Mobile, one of the world’s largest design tradeshows in Milan.

        Pablo: It was a very nice booth with Ricardo working on the potter's wheel and music playing all the time. There was so much interest from people. We even won a special mention, and we got a lot of press coverage again. That was the start of everything, and we decided to proceed and look for acoustic support.

        How did you manage to fuse traditional pottery techniques with modern sound technology?

        Pablo: We first found a professor at the Technical University in Berlin, who helped us with an acoustic test. He found out that the hard resonance body and the round forward shape we had developed by chance, had a lot of potential. Acoustically it was really incredible. We got in contact with a company to develop amplifiers and decided to move to produce our first small collection with local potters from Nacimiento.

        Philine: Honestly, bringing together traditional techniques and modern technology was a huge challenge in the beginning. There were two worlds that didn't match at all. The pottery was handcrafted and always a bit different, but for the amplifiers to work we needed the vases to be perfect and airtight. Without that precision, the speakers wouldn’t work.

        Instead of 6 months, we ended up staying for more than a year to learn everything we needed to learn about pottery. It was really a process of trial and error in every aspect. It started raining and everything got wet, or pots busted open in the oven. We became experts by making every possible mistake that you can make.

        Pablo: When we finally managed the pottery part, it was time for the engineering part. For starters, we needed funds to develop and produce the first series of amplifiers. We decided to create a crowdfunding campaign and pre-sell our speakers. What followed was really a series of lucky breaks that helped us gain acoustic expertise.

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        Many people asked us where to buy the speakers, but they didn't exist yet.

        A series of lucky breaks, tell us! How did you get this acoustic expertise?

        Philine: When we launched our crowdfunding campaign, it coincided with a huge paid media campaign for an industrial wood company from Chile. They were promoting the use of wood in design products and featured us as local sustainability pioneers – probably without realizing that our work is a quiet critique of large-scale industry practices like their own.

        Pablo: They probably didn’t realize we question a lot of what they represent, but it really gave us a lot of visibility. We were all over the media. We reached our funding goal in just over an hour and became the most successful Kickstarter campaign ever in the country.

        That was picked up in Denmark, and, shortly after, we received an invitation to take part in a new Sound Tech Accelerator program at Sound Hub Denmark, with partners like Bang & Olufsen and Harman Kardon.

        Philine: It was a dream come true for us. We packed our bags and moved to Scandinavia to work with some of the best audio engineers in the world. That is how we further developed and refined the acoustic and technological components of our speakers, so that they could stand alongside the best.

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        secrid talent podium mapu speakers

        Can you tell us about the local materials you use? Do they go hand in hand with high-end engineering?

        Philine: People sometimes expect handmade and local to mean compromise. But for us, it’s about exceeding expectations when it comes to performance. Our materials turn out to be very suitable for sound engineering.

        Pablo: Instead of using polluting materials like plastic or aluminum, our speakers are made of clay. Clay is beautiful, and the round shape has acoustic advantages. It reduces resonance and creates a warm, full-bodied tone. For insulation, we use biodegradable wool, cork, and leather. Leather and cork both have ideal properties for our insulation purposes, because they are elastic and strong. Wool also helps to protect the internal components, because it is non-flammable, and unlike synthetic fibers it does not need harmful chemicals.

        Philine: Our materials are always locally sourced, as regional as possible. For instance, we use cork in our Portuguese speakers, because Portugal is full of cork oaks. And in the Chilean ones we used leather, which is widely available there. In the future, we envision making more series with local materials, like a Japanese version with porcelain and volcanic ash, or a Moroccan one using local clay, stones and wood.

        Pablo: In case a speaker would break, you could just disassemble it into its parts.

        For instance, the ceramic vases of the Portuguese Preto speakers aren’t glazed. They become black through a special firing technique in an oxygen-reduced atmosphere. So, it's really only soil that becomes earth again. Also, our packaging is very sustainable. It is made of a cardboard tube filled with wool for transportation. Once you unwrap it, you can put the wool in your garden or make a cushion out of it.

        For anyone curious, where can people listen to the sound of your speakers?

        Pablo: This is important for us, and also still a challenge. Before people decide to buy our speakers, they often want to hear them for themselves. That’s why we are gradually building up a network of listening points in stores, studios, and galleries where people can hear Mapu Speakers in a real environment. It’s not like testing a speaker in an electronics shop, but rather an experience.

        Philine: In Bremen, we regularly invite visitors into our studio for listening sessions. We also collaborate with concept stores and design-minded venues that share our values. In Amsterdam, for instance, people can find our speakers at What Design Can Do or the Mexican restaurant Coba Taqueria.

        We are very open to partners who want to be part of this network. As it grows, we hope to create decentralized listening stations across Europe and beyond, where people can not only test the sound, but also learn about the materials, techniques, and stories behind each piece.

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        We worked with some of the best audio engineers in the world.

        With your current collection, are you running a sustainable business?

        Pablo: We've been working on Mapu Speakers for about 10 years now, but it has been a slow and evolutionary process. During the first few years, we always had side jobs and we didn't know that it would become such an important project for us.

        Philine: To be honest, we didn’t start with the speakers to make it big business, and we didn’t bring a lot of business knowledge. But we are convinced of the concept. We are still a very small team, and we have been completely bootstrapped from the start. Without investors, we used the income from other projects to make part-by-part investments when we could.

        So far, we are doing everything on our own, and we are learning by doing it. We can definitely use a bit of business support, for instance, to automate a thing or two. At the same time, we have seen a lot of companies close that were in the same accelerator as us, even with a lot of investment money and a huge team. We want to become more economically sustainable, but we are also still running our business.

        Pablo: The most important thing now is to get people to trust our brand. Our prices are in line with top brands, and for that you get a handcrafted art piece with world class sound technology. But people need to get to know our brand before they make such an investment.

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        What do you need for more brand awareness to conquer the electronics market?

        Pablo: What is so beautiful is that a lot of interesting people know us and keep cheering for us. For example, we met Manu Chao a few months ago. He is such a musical inspiration, and he is using our speakers now. These things keep happening and we want to keep inviting them in. It motivates us tremendously when people identify with our way of thinking, and it really helps when they want to share our work with the rest of the world.

        Philine: To make a real impact, and to keep growing as a sustainable company, we are now at the point where we also need to start selling more speakers. So, we are looking for value-aligned distribution points, like ecological boutique hotels, where people can listen to music and order our speakers.

        And we have just launched a new crowdfunding campaign that people can support until June 11th. We aim to raise €20,000 to start the development of the next generation of multiroom amplifiers for our speakers, to expand our network, and to work on marketing and e-commerce.

        Finally, what is the main message that you want people to share about you?

        Philine: With Mapu we use modern technology to honor traditional knowledge. Its development has really been a vehicle through which we got to know incredible places and people. Our designs are meant to make people listen, metaphorically and literally, to the sound of the earth and the voices of local craftspeople.

        We believe that the spirit that goes into the making of every product matters. In our speakers you can feel it and hear it.

        Pablo: We believe design is about much more than aesthetics, trends, or designers with colorful glasses in shiny offices. It’s about reconnecting with who we are, with our roots, and our cultural identity.

        We stand for the kind of design that puts people first. It’s not always the easiest path, but it gives us meaning and a reason to keep going. We invite everyone who believes there’s a different way to create — one that’s more human, more diverse, and more connected — to be part of our journey. Because this isn’t just about speakers. It’s about shaping the future together.

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